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Who Did Local Politicos Think Won Last Night's Presidential Debate?

Here's what Massachusetts Republicans and Democrats said about the Obama-Romney debate in a flash poll.

 

Mitt won.

That's the major finding from Red and Blue Commonwealth flash polls sent out by Patch to Massachusetts Republicans and Democrats immediately after the debate ended last night.

Local influential Republicans polled in Patch's survey voted 86.2 percent that Romney won by a wide margin, with the remaining 13.8 percent voting that he won by a slim margin.

Local influential Democrats voted 19.1 percent that Romney won by a wide margin and 28.6 percent voted that he won by a slim margin, while 19.1 percent voted that Obama won by a slim margin and only 9.5 percent voted that the president won by a wide margin. Another 23.8 percent voted "neutral."

Asked who would be the consensus "winner" as declared by the national media, Democrats and Republicans opinions were almost identical, with the majority of each—51.7 percent of Republicans and 52.4 percent of Democrats—voting that Romney would be declared the winner by a slim margin.

Also, 24.1 percent of Republicans and 23.8 percent of Democrats voted that Romney would be declared the winner by a wide margin, while 17.2 percent of Republicans and 14.3 percent of Democrats voted Obama would be declared the winner by a slim margin. No one from either side voted for Obama being declared the winner by a wide margin.

What Moment Stood Out? 

Asked for a moment that will stand out in the minds of conservatives in Massachusetts, Republicans cited a variety of topics and lines, but most common were Romney's phrases about "trickle down government" and the governor's repeated line about $90 billion in funding going to green energy, with the accompanying quote, "You don't pick the winners and losers—you just pick the losers."

Republicans also cited Romney's defense of his health care bill in Massachusetts and his stance on the Constitutional role of government.

"Opening answer and start of the debate by Mitt Romney," one Republican surveyed answered. "He started off knocking it out of the park and just went from there."

Democrats were less enthusiastic when asked for a moment that will stand out for liberals and progressive in Massachusetts, with one calling the debate a "rather doldrum affair." Some criticized the president for being too "dispassionate" and "passive."

"At the end of the first round, Romney took control and responded to the president when he should not have been allowed to do so," one Democrat answered. "That loss of momentum for the president never recovered. The president was never aggressive enough to impress the viewers."

Asked for a moment that will stand out in the mind of swing voters in Massachusetts, several Republicans cited Romney repeatedly returning to the theme of partisanship while characterizing as Obamacare as a partisan bill. 

Democrats expressed a variety of answers to the stand-out moment for swing voters, with some saying Romney taking control of the debate, with others saying Romney did not provide a level of specificity for his plans.

Romney's Performance Makes it More Likely He'll Win in November

Of the local Republicans polled, 72.4 percent strongly agreed that Romney's debate performance makes it more likely he'll win the election, with another 42.1 percent voting they somewhat agreed.

None of the Democrats strongly agreed that Obama's debate performance would make it more likely he'll win the election, with 28.6 percent voting they somewhat agreed, 38.1 percent voting neutral, 23.8 percent voting somewhat disagree and 9.5 percent voting strongly disagree.

In closing opinions, Republicans expressed enthusiasm over their candidate's performance, with several taking shots at Obama not being able to use a Teleprompter and calling his appearance "uncomfortable" and "annoyed," and calling Romney's appearance and demeanor "relaxed" and "polished."

"Mitt surprised alot of people tonight," one Republican said. "My Facebook newsfeed lit up the entire night with people on both sides of the aisle shocked at how badly Obama was getting destroyed."

Democrats expressed disappointment in their final opinions, both over moderator Jim Lehrer's control over the candidates' time to answer and Obama's performance, which was called "unfocused" and not aggressive enough, saying it let Romney slip away without being challenged.

"Obama simply didn't seem focused," one Democrat said. "Many times Romney contradicted his campaign promises so far, or his math didn't add up, and Obama didn't challenge him. It was very disappointing."

Related Topics: Presidential Debates, Presidential Debates 2012, election 2012, and participate 2012

Harry Sanders

6:31 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

As an independent voter with Dem leanings I find clearly that Romney delivered a knockout first round. I felt bad for the President when cutaway camera shots show him nodding his head in agreement to Romney's blows. Romney's theme is rightsizing federal bureaucracy with a states' rights accent - Obama agreeing his federalism tax & spend is a runaway train..

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Phil

7:47 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

The problem for the president was that he had to defend his record without the help of his teleprompter or his media sycophants. Unfortunately for him he was over matched.

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Raymond Hanna

4:59 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Yesterday showed us how smart he really is... not.

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Moe Green

11:19 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Obama Magna Cum Laude from Harvard... Romney ... Cum Laude

Earnhardt

8:11 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

The president looked uncomfortable and at times looked like he would rather be anywhere else but there, Mitt seemed more sure and confident, Mitt won, not by a crushing win, but he definitely won.

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Reader99

9:14 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I think Romney did a better job and I hope that continues for the next two debates.

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Janet Sterman

9:17 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I agree with what I read in the Daily KOS "If debate victories led to electoral victories, we never would've had President George W. Bush. And we would've had a President Hillary Clinton."
At the end of the day, MA is going to elect Obama and NOT Romney. The race we have a say in this year is for US Senate and perhaps the MA 6th Congressional District Seat

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Janet Sterman

9:26 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Is Romney lying his way to victory?
1. When Romney claimed that "pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan." They're not.
2. When he said Obama had "cut Medicare by $716 billion to pay for Obamacare." Obama didn't.
3. When he denied proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. He did.
4. When he said Obama had "added almost as much to the federal debt as all the prior presidents combined." Not even close.
5. When he resurrected "death panels." (That was called "one of the biggest whoppers of the night.")
6. When he stated that half the green energy companies given stimulus funds had failed. (Only if three out of nearly three dozen is half..)

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holly

5:06 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

I agree..Mitt lied non-stop. I'd like to see the next debate hosts ask Romney how he will help create jobs in the U.S. when MA last jobs when he was governor here. He had 4 years and didn't manage to turn thinsg aorund for jobs here.

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Raymond Hanna

5:37 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

No better liar than the hypocrite in chief. First Obamacare is not a tax now SCJ says it is. Libya Embassy not terror attack, then it is. Don't start with the tit for tat.
Obama promised 5% unemployment if stimulus is passed (lie)
obamacare will lower medical costs (lie)
Reduce deficit by half (lie)
Stop putting your head in the sand, stop drinking the kool aid. 700,000 women unemployed under Obama. Women in his administration are under paid compared to male counter parts. Where is your voice for justice?
Obama is strangling this country and you want to give 4 more years of trillion dollar deficits. Why? so you can feel good about voting for an incompitant who does not even go to his security breifings and goes to Vegas for a fund raiser while our embassies in the middle east are under attck. Do you not care about this country.

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Vinnie Dummerino

7:45 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Janet: you, the President and his staff are absolutely wrong on the 5 trillion dollar cut and it is simple math and logic. In your and the presiden'ts math and logical you are assuming that employment stays over 8% and 65 million people stay on food stamps and in fact the president was actually admitting that this was what he believed was going to happen over the next 4 years if he were elected President. BUT PUT 12 MILLION MORE PEOPLE TO WORK AS MITT HAS HE IS GOING TO DO AT A MINIMUM, THEN HUGE AMOUNTS OF NEW TAX REVENUE ROLL IN, UNPLAYMENT AND FOOD STAMP PAYMENTS SHARPLY DECLINE AND THERE IS NOT A 5 OR A 7 TRILLION DECLINE (CALLED A CUT BY DEMOCRATS) AND ACTUALLY MORE REVENUE/ASSETTS FOR THE GOVERMENT. It isn't a "magic calculator" as the president called but but it is simple math and logic and simple math that exposures the democrats game plan and thinking. Me: i know 12 million more pople working is the best plan, result and human dignity.

Nathanael Pine

10:54 am on Thursday, October 4, 2012

My feeling is that Romney left himself & his plans wide open to criticism and Obama should have just KILLED him on it. And he didn't, ugggh. Alright two more debates, Obama needs to come out swinging.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

1:13 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Regarding this thread... what else can a liberal do but whine about last night?

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

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John DiMascio

1:29 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

For those who want to blame Jim Lehrer, President Obama actually spoke for 4 minutes longer than Governor Romney.

Romney helped himself a lot last night. Obama not so much.
Nevertheless, I agree that winning one debate does not lead to an election victory. Romney needs to follow through in the next 2. But we have a very tight election here. It has been tight all along. I believe this thing is going to break late one way or another. A lot can happen on the world stage and a lot will depend on consumer confidence and economic numbers that come out over the next few weeks.

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Progress

2:27 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Janet - Wow. You certainly may want to check some of your facts and sources.
1) Pre-existing conditions were not part of Romneycare because MA already had a law in place protecting these individuals.
2) The $716 million is a CBO (government, not partisan think tank) estimate over the next 10 years, and yes part of the savings amount comes from "growth", just like Obama's $4 trillion in deficit reduction over the next 10 years comes from "growth". Can't have it both ways.
3) The $5 trillion estimate comes from the stated "non-partisan" think tank Tax Policy Center (although headed up by a former Obama staffer) and assumes no economic growth as a result of the cut which has never been the case (see JFK 1961, Reagan 1981, Bush 2001.)
4) First 232 year of United States: $10.5 trillion in debt
Since January 20, 2009 - $5.6 trillion in debt
Depending on your definition of "not even close". $1.4 trillion per year under Obama with no end in sight.
5) The IPAB is a very real part of Obamacare and has never been truly defined even two years post the legislation becoming law (talk about not providing specifics)
6) Yes, the jury is still out. If failure is defined as not turning a profit then the statement stands. If it refers to whether or not the entity remains in business because of government subsidies then your statement is correct.

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mark patterson

3:26 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

Progress,You can't throw facts into the arguement.Liberals don't know what facts are and it confuses them.Facts get in the way of their arguement.As for her 6th Congressional race;has anyone ever gotten a response from Ed Markey on anything? I've sent several e-mails to him and get nothing but an automated e-mail stating "thank you for your interest in...blah,blah.He's a phony just like Barney Frank,John Tierney and a host of other Socialists.

Reader99

4:26 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

As for medicare adantage coverage it certainly has been cut from last year. Obama took over 700 billion from medicare and it showed in my doctor bills this year already.

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Carolyn A. Gritter

5:41 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Governor Romney has been called a shape shifter, and last night I saw the plastic plutocrat morph into a smarmy nonstop-talking snake oil salesman before my eyes. Will the real Governor Romney please stand up? Or maybe he should be compared to Joe Izuzu, the car salesman, who, when he was spieling, had "He's lying" cartoon bubbles over his head. When Romney referenced the Declaration of Independence and America's moral ethic after slandering 47 percent of Americans for being dependent leeches, he showed himself to be severely sincerity challenged. Fact-checkers galore are already citing the governor's inaccuracies and downright untruths. The president missed numerous opportunities to counter Romney's assertions, and it's puzzling why he didn't. I wonder how the Tea Partiers reacted to the stealth moderate. The next debate is a town hall forum format. It will be interesting to see which of Romney's personas shows up and how aggressive the president will be.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

6:41 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

We know it's tough Carolyn. Try to get a grip, and lower your expectations for the next debate.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

Earnhardt

6:40 pm on Thursday, October 4, 2012

Romney was clearly in control last night, Obama continued to repeat what he "thought" were Romney's plan. Even when Romney corrected him on numerous occasions, Obama continued to repeat what he believed Romney's plans were. Clearly, the Governor came across as presidential, and Obama came across as lost.

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Carolyn A. Gritter

3:19 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

Income inequality didn't get any mention in the debate, nor has it been much discussed by either candidate on the campaign trial. In 2010, 93 percent of the gain in national income went to the top 1 percent, and according to the Economic Policy Institute in Washington, the top 1 percent possesses a greater collective worth than the entire bottom 90 percent. Professor Joseph E. Stiglitz, winner of the Nobel Prize in Economics, argues that inequality is stifling real democratic capitalism in his new book, "The Price of Inequality: How Today's Divided Society Endangers Our Future." I recommend his book to anyone who is curious about how we can restore sustainable and equitable growth in this country. He outlines a growth agenda based on public investment and explains why trickle-down economics doesn't work and why the across-the-board tax reductions favored by Governor Romney are unlikely to lead to growth. He outlines how government investments in infrastructure, education, and technology were the basis of growth in the last century and can be again. President Obama made the same point in the debate. Stiglitz cites economic historian Alex Fields, who points out that in the1930s, '40s, '50s, and '60s we had high productivity and much of that was because of public investments. Stigliz proposes political and economic reforms which could lead to a more efficient economy as well as a fairer society, but we have to abandon myths and heal divisions before it's too late.

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Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

1:05 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

For those who prefer a centrally planned economy there are many options. Pick the country and politburo you like the best.

Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III

Progress

8:15 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

We can all stop talking about the '50s, '60s, '80s, '90s etc. Demographics were in our favor during that those time periods (similar to emerging markets now). No President will bring us back to those times because our demographics are now much more similar to Japan and Europe. The choice is do we want to follow European big government policies (ex. some of Northern nations) and Japan down the road of low to no growth, 20% plus youth unemployment etc. Obama's policies and actions (he has been President for 4 years, 2 of which he controlled the House and Senate) are clearly following Europe. The choice then becomes apparent - do we want to follow Europe or do we become the entrepreneurial engine and economic leader of the developed world - "continuing" our glorious history of U.S. innovation and global leadership.

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Cairo kid

12:36 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

"Glorious history of US innovation? ???? HUH?
Did u take ur meds today, Progress?

Anonymous

11:57 am on Friday, October 5, 2012

What income inequality? Everyone gets what he/she deserves based on the supply and demand of free market, well, except public sector and union workers.

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Progress

1:25 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

Automobile, airplane, manufacturing dominance WW II, interstate highway system, personal computer, internet, mobile communications, smartphones. I'm sure I missed about 200 others.

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mark patterson

3:17 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012

I'll take a President who knows how an economy is supposed to operate versus a guy who thinks throwing money at it will solve the problem.Obama couldn't manage a lemonade stand.He is an embarassment to this country and a Socialist who wants to drive us into obscurity.A vote for Obama is a vote against what made this country prosper.It certainly wasn't entitlements!

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